If I had known today much earlier, I would have started searching for an architect the moment we had our Loan Approval. This really makes a difference, because it will take a little time for things to move forward.
I like being ready when its time to move forward the moment I move to another level.
I like being ready when its time to move forward the moment I move to another level.
If you would want to renovate a home, anywhere in Malaysia, what should you do first ? Do you look for a Contractor ? or Architect First ?
Contractors will have their own Architects that they can source as well. Some contractors would like working with their own architects as well. But should you take this advise and move it with ?
This question may come into play because we ourselves were not sure doing this the first time. But the real answer to the question :
WHAT SHOULD I DO FIRST
Should I Look for a contractor first ? or look for an Architect ?
Architect first
Why ?
Because the architect firm will need to submit plans to your local town council such as MBPJ. And thats why the contractor isnt an achitect.
Working with a contractors architect will mean that some information may not be presented right. Lets face it, all contractors are mainly lowyatt folks, and with lowyatt folks, nothing is right or direct.
There are ALWAYS points being missed out. Especially with MBPJ, there is no fucking around unless you are wasting time. And wasting time is done with the wrong architect. Each time a submission is made to MBPJ, it costs money. Get it wrong, you are resubmitting again, and again and again.
Working with a contractors architect will mean that some information may not be presented right. Lets face it, all contractors are mainly lowyatt folks, and with lowyatt folks, nothing is right or direct.
There are ALWAYS points being missed out. Especially with MBPJ, there is no fucking around unless you are wasting time. And wasting time is done with the wrong architect. Each time a submission is made to MBPJ, it costs money. Get it wrong, you are resubmitting again, and again and again.
When should I do this ?
Take your time in selecting an architect but also start as soon as you have gotten your SPA signed.
This is the simple long and short answer. Took us 8 months to figure this out. We wasted 8 months of our time after picking up the keys, but nothing began to move till about 5 weeks ago. Its July 2017 as I am writing this. More of this in the next chapter but here are some stories that we have compiled of different approaches with Contractors and Architects before finally settling on the one.
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http://portal.lam.gov.my/lam/website_member_list.php?gtype=pa
Though this is a little late update above, we also found that many companies as mentioned below in entertaining way, have also not been certified using the link above. Something we are totally thankful for. Our Architect we are working with now, is a bonefide company. Always has been. Enjoy the stories below my little ones :)
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ARCHITECTS
We decided that it would be best if we took 3 quotes and decided on which architect we would go with. Basing things on a simple principle of :
1. Upmarket Architect
2. Middle Range Architect
3. Low Range Architect
4. Bastard Architect / Contractor (Bonus Story)
This was also followed then by :
CONTRACTORS
You see I work in a factory, and deal with materials such as plywood, steel, aluminium and know costings VERY well. However, contractors think that people like me are pencil pushers and dont know what things cost.
My terms were simple, Ill buy the materials, ill pay for the labor and the machinery if at the contractors expense. Meaning from every saw, grinding disc, hacking machine, scaffolding, till your buckets and pails is the contractors.
In addition, this neighborhood is also guarded at night and no Indons were allowed to stay inside. So there will be stories of :
My terms were simple, Ill buy the materials, ill pay for the labor and the machinery if at the contractors expense. Meaning from every saw, grinding disc, hacking machine, scaffolding, till your buckets and pails is the contractors.
In addition, this neighborhood is also guarded at night and no Indons were allowed to stay inside. So there will be stories of :
1. Contractor 1
2. Contractor 2
3. Contractor 3
4. Contractor 4
ARCHITECT 1
UPMARKET ARCHITECT
I received a quote from Seshan Design, RM 400.00 per square foot. I have never responded back. I like this guy, but I just couldnt afford him. This was my first choice. It would have been nice to work with this chap, but unfortunately, Im no lowyatt billionaire.
ARCHITECT 2
MID RANGE ARCHITECT
This fell under the category of our Friends, they quoted us 58,000 which to me was just way too much for what Friends would charge. Thrown in with progressive payments as well, I still thought that things would cost at Maximum around the 36,000 range. They were also slow, perhaps it was cause they were too busy.
So we thought fuck this.
So we thought fuck this.
In addition, while they had also the fear that things would take very long with MBPJ with submissions, they themselves are a couple of around 32 - 34 years of age I guess.
So they worry a lot about stupid things like MBPJ and not knowing well enough in their profession how to advise customers like us when submitting things correctly to your local town council.
So they worry a lot about stupid things like MBPJ and not knowing well enough in their profession how to advise customers like us when submitting things correctly to your local town council.
They had mentioned as well that they think their Dad could help get things approved because their Dad knew someone who sits on the board for Building Plans in MBPJ but you know what, this is Malaysia, you can say things like that but everyone is a small fry. I too know MO1. I just know him, but Im not his friend. You know ?
They had also said they were currently renovating a house in section 17 in Petaling Jaya, but this is not just a matter of renovations in our case, its also a total demolition and rebuild.
While I had given my original plans to them, they could have corrected me on the spot on things I was missing out on, and what was also required, more importantly what I was not complying with - which they did not.
So it just shows that when you are dealing with renovations in a house in Petaling Jaya, it is very important to know what you are talking about. Which we are glad we didnt work with them in the end.
So it just shows that when you are dealing with renovations in a house in Petaling Jaya, it is very important to know what you are talking about. Which we are glad we didnt work with them in the end.
We could have gotten ourselves into some major shit that would have costed more than 58,000 anyway because they were still missing out information.
Another thing of new hipster firms are - why do you need 7 pages of documents to send a quote ? All you need is 1. At maximum 2. Unfortunately our hipster architect friends who love coffee and avocado and toast were just way too inexperienced for me and expensive.
There was too much of technical jargon that perhaps I could not understand from a 7 page quote. It was just way too much.
There was too much of technical jargon that perhaps I could not understand from a 7 page quote. It was just way too much.
While they had also done by brothers house in Bukit Damansara, it falls under DBKL which is a township that has its approvals VERY fast.
Bottom line is this, mid range does not mean you will have the best of both worlds, you would still end up spending more if you are not careful.
ARCHITECT 3
LOW RANGE ARCHITECT
This is where the Lowyatt crowd lies. When you ask them how much things would cost, even when you have your own plans that they can easily calculate on, and they go "between 40 - 50k lor".
So what the fuck lies in between ? The Caspian Sea ?
So what the fuck lies in between ? The Caspian Sea ?
In business you need firm answers, and when you dont have firm answers, you get nowhere. So this was the cheapest that I had got which had a lack of thorough information.
When lowyatt folks do this and are not CLEAR enough, you know the cheapest will eventually cost more, and more, and more. So if I were you, never go for the cheapest.
ARCHITECT / CONTRACTOR 4
BASTARD OF THEM ALL
This guy, lets just call him Mr. Justin, but lets not use any last names. This guy was the best. We waited for him the longest thinking he would be the best option for us. Turn out this chap is a class A bastard. Plus this guy actually knows my Mum in Law. But here goes the story.
This guy was away, waited for him to return, we told him what our vision was, gave him references and ideas too via email while waiting for him to meet us. We gave him 1 month in hopes that when we finally met, this was the chap that we were really banking on who would understand what we wanted.
During our first meeting we speak the same kind of style, and were off to a decent 1 hour start. Talking shit and cracking jokes, basically warming up to someone. Fucking waste of time.
During our first meeting, I realised that this guy didnt have the same vision of what I was describing all along in our email correspondences. I was looking to build an old fashioned looking building.
But he came back with a ballooned idea of having a huge house in a boxy design. To which my wife and I were puzzled. This fucker was missing the mark after giving him cues of what we wanted.
When he finally got it on his head, his appearance changed and knew what we were talking about. And here was a guy who was supposed to be at some intellect.
Clearing things up, we adjourned, and told him that by the way, my wife's Mum is so and so and you worked with her on a project before. So things became a little better as well at the end of the day.
I gave him my plans, and he was supposed to return in expectation with a basic Autocad plan in a couple of weeks.
What happened was that this guy just shat on EVERYTHING we had.
This guy was supposed to give us a drawing to which his architect had not done because his architect was not free. Fine.
So he drew a layout on Excel by arranging all row heights and widths and colouring different sections of the rough drawing on excel because it was to get an idea across. Its okay, I have got points presented to me in different ways before. I can see the effort.
Nothing was in a straight line when you had to walk through the house. Nothing at all. Nothing was straight forward. It was a shitty layout that was only understandable by rats that live in a complex sewer line.
Nothing had a direct way or clean way of simple human movement through the building. He said that it would cost RM 800,000 to execute his shitty sewer line layout built for rats.
I was shat on. And I had got my time wasted. I still didnt give up. I asked him to just follow what I had asked and quote me what things would cost.
From this time, I didnt reply to any of his messages as he was wasting time and missed the mark after receiving this quote. To which I just said thank you for the quote.
I knew at this time, this dude didnt fucking know what things cost, and perhaps its best he wastes someone elses time by smoking weed and shooting coke and walking the streets of Melaka City.
During our first meeting we speak the same kind of style, and were off to a decent 1 hour start. Talking shit and cracking jokes, basically warming up to someone. Fucking waste of time.
During our first meeting, I realised that this guy didnt have the same vision of what I was describing all along in our email correspondences. I was looking to build an old fashioned looking building.
But he came back with a ballooned idea of having a huge house in a boxy design. To which my wife and I were puzzled. This fucker was missing the mark after giving him cues of what we wanted.
When he finally got it on his head, his appearance changed and knew what we were talking about. And here was a guy who was supposed to be at some intellect.
Clearing things up, we adjourned, and told him that by the way, my wife's Mum is so and so and you worked with her on a project before. So things became a little better as well at the end of the day.
I gave him my plans, and he was supposed to return in expectation with a basic Autocad plan in a couple of weeks.
What happened was that this guy just shat on EVERYTHING we had.
This guy was supposed to give us a drawing to which his architect had not done because his architect was not free. Fine.
So he drew a layout on Excel by arranging all row heights and widths and colouring different sections of the rough drawing on excel because it was to get an idea across. Its okay, I have got points presented to me in different ways before. I can see the effort.
Nothing was in a straight line when you had to walk through the house. Nothing at all. Nothing was straight forward. It was a shitty layout that was only understandable by rats that live in a complex sewer line.
Nothing had a direct way or clean way of simple human movement through the building. He said that it would cost RM 800,000 to execute his shitty sewer line layout built for rats.
I was shat on. And I had got my time wasted. I still didnt give up. I asked him to just follow what I had asked and quote me what things would cost.
He sends me a quote
Really ? 5 airconds and 6 fans at RM 10,000 ? Digging and concrete foundation RM 60k ?
I knew at this time, this dude didnt fucking know what things cost, and perhaps its best he wastes someone elses time by smoking weed and shooting coke and walking the streets of Melaka City.
but I could not absolutely accept, which was the biggest surprise of all, was that he wanted a fucking payment for his shitty Excel drawing,.....
..... and charged me RM 1,500.00 for it.
Of course I didnt work out the finances. Not for his shit
Attached is Mr. Justins Invoice :-
This is a man who has missed the mark, ignored the budget, and wasted MY time instead of his, because he did not understand English. Class A mutt. I ignored this email.
A month passed and another email to remind me was sent. To which Mr. Justin said
"I hope you are not ignoring this" To which I whatsapp-ed the dude and asked for what is this Invoice for ? To which he says
"Basically For my time, travel, etc. and drawing done"
To which I said " I will call you" and call I did
A month passed and another email to remind me was sent. To which Mr. Justin said
"I hope you are not ignoring this" To which I whatsapp-ed the dude and asked for what is this Invoice for ? To which he says
"Basically For my time, travel, etc. and drawing done"
To which I said " I will call you" and call I did
There was a good shelling on both ends. This guy is a smart guy and had threatened me and said he will get me and cause problems if I had taken his ideas.
He actually said my drawings were shit. Literally. "Your drawings were shit anyway"
He had actually threatened and said "If you had used any my ideas I will get some guys and make your life hard"
To which I said
"What did you just say ? Do you want to say it again for the record ? Is that a threat ?"
To which he backed off, but I asked again many times
"No, tell me what did you say again for the record" to which he said "We are already moving out of this topic and you are still going at it".... some chaps have only hot air.
But I told him, I would pay you but not RM 1,500.00 for your shit work.
But if you want money for your shit work, Then re write the Invoice as Drawing in Excel and will pay. Dont just Invoice it as " Drawings ".
To which this desperate thick skinned low standards man actually did with no shame. Re Invoiced me. Here is his amended Invoice :
He actually said my drawings were shit. Literally. "Your drawings were shit anyway"
He had actually threatened and said "If you had used any my ideas I will get some guys and make your life hard"
To which I said
"What did you just say ? Do you want to say it again for the record ? Is that a threat ?"
To which he backed off, but I asked again many times
"No, tell me what did you say again for the record" to which he said "We are already moving out of this topic and you are still going at it".... some chaps have only hot air.
But I told him, I would pay you but not RM 1,500.00 for your shit work.
But if you want money for your shit work, Then re write the Invoice as Drawing in Excel and will pay. Dont just Invoice it as " Drawings ".
To which this desperate thick skinned low standards man actually did with no shame. Re Invoiced me. Here is his amended Invoice :
You want me to pay ? Sure I can, and paid I did on the spot. i didnt even take 14 days. This was worth paying for to show you all and to share
But who would pay for his piece of shit artwork ? Me. You know why ? Because this is what you get when you want others who are in the same circle of friends and colleagues to know about this class A mutt.
Believe it or not, before paying RM 800.00 instead of RM 1500.00 I told him
" Your drawing could have been done by any immature kid, and its unprofessional for what you are asking for. In addition we have mutual people who we know "
I actually shelled this chap and said
" Next time why dont you just draw fucking Excel sheets and shake hands with people on the street and ask them for RM 1,500.00. This will make you rich and your business grow "
However this fucker in his original Invoice had mentioned "Drawings". But drawings in what ? Autocad ?
" Your drawing could have been done by any immature kid, and its unprofessional for what you are asking for. In addition we have mutual people who we know "
I actually shelled this chap and said
" Next time why dont you just draw fucking Excel sheets and shake hands with people on the street and ask them for RM 1,500.00. This will make you rich and your business grow "
However this fucker in his original Invoice had mentioned "Drawings". But drawings in what ? Autocad ?
So I own the best 800.00 Excel sheet which is now mine as a good laugh for many years to come. Because his reputation will be amongst some of the most interesting people this country has to offer.
Never pay anything that is not signed. Simple as that. But this drawing now allows me to show how incompetent this chap is among certain individuals and mutual parties. Mutt and a half.
You would think you would do better especially by knowing high caliber people and this chap had the nerve to actually threaten ? Pariah and a half.
You would think you would do better especially by knowing high caliber people and this chap had the nerve to actually threaten ? Pariah and a half.
While others had given rough drawings in Autocad, this mutt was asking for some money for HIS time and for the drawings.
When you get a guy who quotes RM 10,000 for airconds and fans, back away. Here is a low class chap.
And I actually served this asshole coffee too.
Bastard.
CONTRACTOR 1
His name is Mr. Alex
Mum in laws favorite contractor. Mr. Alex actually viewed our home while we were purchasing out home. This was just before the earnest deposit.
This guy didnt accept my offer for buying my own materials to be supplied. He gave my wife the full attention while talking instead of the both of us. So that meant that he thought I was a fool and was not interested in what the man of the house had to say.
Let me tell you folks, for just adding half a floor for half a million, does this make sense ? This guy was axed immediately of our list.
Greedy lowyatt at heart.
When did we meet him ?
May 2016
How much for his idea and work ?
RM 300,000 to remain single storey. RM 500,000 for 1.5 storey. Bitch please, for that amount you are eating steak everyday and wont be there to supervise anyway.
CONTRACTOR 2
His name is Mr. Chong
Recommended by Recomm's website. this Contractor was from Puchong, a lowyatt young chap, quoted 280,000 to build the whole house. However, was missing things from machinery, and mentioned the workers had to stay at our own location. So this guy didnt have his paper work done right and missed the mark too.
If you are serious about your neighbors, and care about your premise, never get Indons to stay.
When did we meet him ?
November 2016
How much to execute our idea ?
RM 280,000. And just like lowyatt folks, was missing out on things like big time
CONTRACTOR 3
His name is Mr. Eric
You will hear him a lot in my rants later on.
You will hear him a lot in my rants later on.
Recommended by wifes friend, This guy spoke decent English, bumped into him once at a chinese shop as well. However this guy harasses my wife constantly cause lets face it, times are bad and this chap hounds to know if he can start work for us. This guy gave a 4 page quote to do our home up.
These are people who will continue to add, and add, and add and say "this one is missing, this one not included, this one dont have" and still took us for a ride thinking we were fools.
These are people who will show you things are cheap first like saying architect only 5k, and then will miss out deliberately a lot more information and work you will have to pay for such as :
1. Sewage line.
2. Drain Line
3. Armor Cable
4. Septic Tanks
5. Water Tank
6. Veranda
7. Car Park
The more paper work, the more you know things are not thorough
He gave though an Autocad of what my plans were. And he had an architect as well. But knowing lowyatt folks, in the end turns out that the Arhitects fee is only RM 5000.00.
So he must have the cheapest architect ever. Turns out I was right. And his architect was very wrong to just draw based on what I wanted. Lucky this didnt happen.
These are people who will continue to add, and add, and add and say "this one is missing, this one not included, this one dont have" and still took us for a ride thinking we were fools.
These are people who will show you things are cheap first like saying architect only 5k, and then will miss out deliberately a lot more information and work you will have to pay for such as :
1. Sewage line.
2. Drain Line
3. Armor Cable
4. Septic Tanks
5. Water Tank
6. Veranda
7. Car Park
The more paper work, the more you know things are not thorough
He gave though an Autocad of what my plans were. And he had an architect as well. But knowing lowyatt folks, in the end turns out that the Arhitects fee is only RM 5000.00.
So he must have the cheapest architect ever. Turns out I was right. And his architect was very wrong to just draw based on what I wanted. Lucky this didnt happen.
When we finally found our architect, the amount of corrections that were done for us compared to our plans that this contractors architect blindly drew clearly shows that this would have continously added more, and more and more fees from re submissions to many other missing things that were not included SUCH AS
1. Surveyor (RM 6k)
2. Soil Testing & Submission (RM 5.5k)
3. Architects Fees for drawing and submission (RM 27k)
4. MBPJ Consultancy and fees for runners submission, images etc etc etc (RM 8K)
5. Engineers Fee (12k)
1. Surveyor (RM 6k)
2. Soil Testing & Submission (RM 5.5k)
3. Architects Fees for drawing and submission (RM 27k)
4. MBPJ Consultancy and fees for runners submission, images etc etc etc (RM 8K)
5. Engineers Fee (12k)
There came a time when I messaged and asked as well a simple question. This is when I had already knew my answer from the architect we will be working with I asked him this :
"Are you sure our plans can be approved by MBPJ"
and he said "YES"
So I asked him knowing very well that our plans couldnt be approved
"Are you sure ? Can you check with your architect what is required and based on my plans can they certainly be approved ?" and after deep pressuring one night, this guy finally cracked.
And he said he didnt know how hard it would be. I wish I had the conversation snapshot here but wifey had changed her phone and damn now I dont have the full conversation.
"Are you sure our plans can be approved by MBPJ"
and he said "YES"
So I asked him knowing very well that our plans couldnt be approved
"Are you sure ? Can you check with your architect what is required and based on my plans can they certainly be approved ?" and after deep pressuring one night, this guy finally cracked.
And he said he didnt know how hard it would be. I wish I had the conversation snapshot here but wifey had changed her phone and damn now I dont have the full conversation.
So folks, dont get suckered by lowyatt people, because you have to know your shit before others.
In addition, this contractor was clearly taking us for a ride. Which I will describe in another chapter when it comes to costings and building a Home.
His terms were also a joke. 40 % upfront, and then progressive payments. Clearly lowyatt people do this everyday and its okay with them.
The most expensive, inexperienced with MBPJ. Charming, but couldnt take me for a fool. Lowyatt people though are more experienced than me and would deal with him.
When did we meet him
March 2017
How much to execute our idea ?
Over 562,000 for double storey. But excluded Water Tank area, sub standard materials. But all using his materials.
350,000 if I had used my materials and his labor. PFFFFFT ! So raw materials cost 212,000 TO BUILD ? This here lies another lowyatt dude. At this rate I too should become a contractor.
CONTRACTOR 4
His name is Mr. Tan.
Sourced by my Mum, but the hungriest contractor that also is just like Contractor 2, harasses to get the job moving, cause for lowyatt people times are very good right to ignore small people like me ?
But anyway. For this chap, I really liked his style of thinking, behavior, and believe in himself, however price was a different matter. The dude cant read actually in English which was a problem which is okay with me because I have staff who cant read too but if our vision is strong, it can achieve better things than Mr. Justin.
So this guy for Petaling Jaya said RM 80.00 per square foot for the building. Smaller jobs like the water tank area, patio, driveway, veranda RM 25.00 per square foot.
This includes, wet works, form works, painting, laying of concrete and everything. This is more a guy of my style.
I laid out in front of him a single page template, no 4 pages of terms after terms, bla bla bla.
1 page, full price. Simple. Here it is :
The template I made for this guy. Sometimes you can just jive with someone from the start, and Mr. Tan was one of them for me. This was a simple way of doing things. No jargon of what every single thing would cost from labor to raw materials to picking up a fucking brick or shovel will cost. 1 page, simple answer, we get to see where we stand. No missing out on shit, its just how much will the building cost start till end. Period
A few days later I receive a call from his Son in Law, you see, Mr. Tan cant read English. So its still fine with me, we can still speak malay. So his Son in Law actually helped him to source for an architect and to ask about the MBPJ Submissions etc.
This was the conversation that looked like someone was either desperate for money, or someone who just didnt know the right way to move forward
And that other house in ss3 he was talking about taking 1 year ? Had all sorts of illegal shit building right till the boundaries of things. Obviously MBPJ wasnt going to take things easy. So once again, if I was going to lose, so will everyone else. If I was going to win, I would have to pay for the right advise from the right person, who I would find eventually
This is the house below that this guy is talking about. You know why the guy probably took almost a year to get things approved ? Look at this. Look at the size of this thing and how many things are not being complied with. This is what happens when Cheras comes to SS3
Yummy 3 storey Cheras style !
Our process is one that even contractors dont know the true magnitude of what is required. But this guy is desperate for work and tried to persuade me to actually do some basic renovations instead. This chap above, still didnt mention things that I know today that were not included in the conversation.
Sorry dude, I really like you but at the expense of your own profit, I simply cannot move on with you for your short term goals. I would have to go on finding the right people to move with.
When did we meet him
May 2017
How much to execute our idea ?
RM 80.00 per square foot for main building. RM 25.00 per square foot, simple structures and floor work. The raw materials WE supply, machinery and equipment is his. Simple
CONTRACTOR 5 (BONUS)
His name is Mr. Hoe
Recommended by Mum in law, This dude was the slowest. Clearly not hungry at all. But was equally or slightly lesser priced than Mr. Tan.
This guy has also projects in PJ that he has done. The last I spoke to him was about 6 weeks ago, but this dude clearly doesnt want to work. Here's his quote :
My last conversation with him was what are the steps required by MBPJ and he has yet to get back to me. Even after CC'ing emails to wifey as well whose Mum is his client. This my friends, means that this guy has enough work.
This guy has also projects in PJ that he has done. The last I spoke to him was about 6 weeks ago, but this dude clearly doesnt want to work. Here's his quote :
Another boring quote. Its like Air Asia, they will always catch you where you were supposed to know better like you build houses everyday like lowyatt people.
My last conversation with him was what are the steps required by MBPJ and he has yet to get back to me. Even after CC'ing emails to wifey as well whose Mum is his client. This my friends, means that this guy has enough work.
When did we meet him ?
May 2017
How much to execute our idea ?
RM 280,0000
IN CONCLUSION
So you see, folks, this is how we have been spending time. Looking at architects etc. And while we had ourselves and ultimatum that we will move with a contractor and confirm things ourselves by May 31st 2017, it never happened. Just like how our SPA had expired by the time we had got our KTN 16A done.
Im sharing this experience above because lowyatt people dont go through what I have. They dont go through this especially in PJ and working with MBPJ and dealing with architects and contractors who dont know what they are talking about.
Every contractor will say Architects cost is RM 5,000. Contractors will always miss out on information and make certain things look cheap to tempt you.
Its only YOUR fault that you should know better how information should have been compiled to start you off on the right foot. That too with the knowledge of what things will cost and how to negotiate better.
The fault is simple only yours if you are not smarter or wiser than them.
Im sharing this experience above because lowyatt people dont go through what I have. They dont go through this especially in PJ and working with MBPJ and dealing with architects and contractors who dont know what they are talking about.
Every contractor will say Architects cost is RM 5,000. Contractors will always miss out on information and make certain things look cheap to tempt you.
Its only YOUR fault that you should know better how information should have been compiled to start you off on the right foot. That too with the knowledge of what things will cost and how to negotiate better.
The fault is simple only yours if you are not smarter or wiser than them.
But I am glad that we as a young couple, were not hasty and had this time of now 9 months before coming to some act of moving forward
Because after not finding any solution, and not finding anyone right, things now have taken a turn.
It may have been now 9 months since we got out keys, now approaching 10, but we finally found the right Architect.
I will continue to share my experience in the next chapter called Architect - Found the right one.
Where you will know what I went through, and what it actually is required by MBPJ in order to get things approved.
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